Talis talks with Michael B. Horn and Curtis W. Johnson about ‘Disrupting Class’, and the application of Disruptive Innovation to Higher Education
In our latest podcast I talk with Michael Horn and Curtis Johnson, authors of the recently published Disrupting Class alongside Harvard Business School’s Clayton Christensen. We discuss the concept of disruptive innovation, and its application to US compulsory education as described in the book.
In the second half of the call, we move beyond the topics covered in the book itself, and consider the state of Higher Education through this lens of disruptive innovation. Apparently radical developments within the sector such as iTunesU and OpenCourseWare may not be as disruptive as they first appear, and large swathes of the sector have no room for complacency.

During the conversation, we refer to the following resources;
- Dayton Hudson/ Target
- Disrupting Class (and my initial blog post discussing it)
- ‘Disrupting Higher Education‘ blog post on the Xiphos blog
- Education|Evolving
- Florida Virtual School
- Innosight Institute
- Innovator’s Dilemma
- Innovator’s Solution
- iTunesU
- MotorolaU
- OpenCourseWare Consortium
- SmartThinking
- Tiffin University
- University of Phoenix
- Virtual ChemLab
This conversation was conducted using Skype on Monday 18 August, recorded with Ecamm Network’s Call Recorder for Skype, and edited on a Mac with Garageband.



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